In 1977, The Jam stood
out from the rest of the punk explosion
pack. The band had been honing its craft in
pub gigs for several years and, while full
of punk energy, the power trio also knew its
'60s chops--mod rock, soul and even
psychedelia crept into its compositions. The
Jam also boasted
Paul Weller, a songwriter with a class
perspective.
The band only
punctured the US charts a few times and, by
1982, the trio had split after releasing a
No. 1 UK album, "The Gift." The group's
rhythm section was particularly distinctive
in its time--and now, it's back.
Following on successful tours of the UK last
May and November,
From the Jam -featuring original bassist
Bruce Foxton and drummer Rick Buckler of
England's mod-punk godfathers The Jam--will
hit the States for 13 shows this month.
Weller, who's issuing a deluxe, two-disc
version of his second solo album,
"Wildwood," this month, won't be joining
them, however. Rather, Russell Hastings of
Maximum High sings Weller's parts and plays
guitar. To learn more, we spoke to Buckler
as he enjoyed his teatime at home in the
South of England.
LiveDaily: One thing that occurred to me
is that From the Jam are touring as a
four-piece, not a power trio. Is that
because of keyboard needs?
Rick Buckler: Yeah, It was initially because
of the keyboards. There are some songs like
"A Town Called Malice" and "The Gift" that
you really couldn't do without the
keyboards, but Dave [Moore] is a good guitar
player anyway, so it just gave us that
chance to put in those guitar parts live
that The Jam never did--that, obviously, we
put onto record but never really played
live. We had keyboard players and horn
sections and backing vocals to augment the
band, but we never had a second guitar. It's
a nice little avenue to explore. It
certainly adds to it; it's more like people
remember from the record rather than
necessarily the old live sound.
The overdubbed solos are there.
Yeah, all those nice little extra guitar
things that are on the record.
So Russell and Dave are both playing
guitar?
Russ is the main guitar, if you like, and
Dave flits between keyboards and guitar.
As for Russell's voice, does he turn
extra Wellerisms on, is it his own singing
style, or in between?
It's entirely his own thing. He sings in the
way that he sings. He doesn't come from a
million miles away from Paul or from us, in
the south of England. He's his own man and
does his own thing. I don't think he regards
it as filling anybody's shoes. I don't know
if you know, but, years ago, he was a big
Jam fan himself. He had been to several of
the shows, [including] the last one. I only
bumped into him a few years ago. I knew what
he had been doing. I had been running a
website, the Jamfan.net, and each year I
used to put on a show in the Woking/Guilford
area and hire a few bands in. And one of the
bands I got in was Maximum High, which Russ
was in.
I was always quite impressed with his
stagecraft. I think he really fit in. When
we first got together with him to put The
Gift [an earlier band that covered Jam
material] together, it all fell in really
nicely. He had the passion for the songs and
understood what was needed from the songs.
How did The Gift and Bruce Foxton get
together?
Bruce was doing Stiff Little Fingers and was
also in another band called Casbah Club. We
ended up being on the same bill at Guilford.
I called him up and [asked] him did he fancy
jumping up and doing a couple of numbers
with us. We did "Smithers-Jones" and "Tube
Station," I think. The reaction was
fantastic. He did one or two more guestings
with us. By the end of 2006, we decided to
make the whole thing concrete and do the
thing properly. We ended up with a May tour
of the UK, and went on to the bigger tour
that we've just finished in November and
December. I think Bruce discovered, as I
did, that it was great fun to revisit the
Jam material, and that the original Jam
fans, as well as new ones, were out there
and wanted to hear it. Everybody was a
winner.
The music seems so relevant and so many
bands draw on The Jam. Everything has come
back around in a lot of ways.
I think that is all due to Paul's
songwriting. A lot of the songs have lasted
the test of time. In some cases, it's
unfortunate that they still have meaning
with "Little Boy Soliders" and what have
you. The world doesn't seem to have changed
that much. Paul was always very good at
observing things and translating them into
verse, at it were. That is obviously what
has lasted.
Being a drummer myself, I know that some
songs come back to one easily, and others
are a bit harder to remember how to play.
Which Jam songs were the trickiest for you?
"Tube Station" is a bit of a workout on the
hi-hat, right? Were there any you had to
work at?
I hadn't played for 12 years [before The
Gift]. I was literally at the starting point
again. I just put in loads and loads of
practice. It's not too bad; I'm lucky enough
that if there are things that I can't
remember, I just pull the album out and
listen to it, and refresh my memory on
certain bits. It did take me a while to get
back up to speed. It all seemed worthwhile,
and we had a lot of fun doing it. It's not
that difficult. It's like riding a bike, but
knowing that you are going to take part in a
race, not just go down the shops.
People are going to be watching.
I did find that a bit of a shock--people
were watching more intently than I thought
they might do. I really thought that I
better shine up my shoes and everything.
Last year you celebrated the 30th
anniversary of the release of "In the City,"
The Jam's 1977 debut. Why is "In the City"
still a classic? I always think of that
being the pubby, punky side of The Jam. How
do you feel about that record?
That was the culmination of what we had been
rehearsing for, for the first five years. It
was the best of what we could put together
to do that first album. There wasn't a lot
of songwriting involved. It was already
there; we just had to record it. In that
way, it was fantastic and it was done live
in the studio as well. ... It was a learning
curve with us. With [1977 follow-up album
"This is the Modern World"], we tended to be
a bit more delicate in the way we did things
without trying and testing the songs. To
come up with an album before you take it out
to the crowd was a weird thing for us.
People didn't know the material. The whole
thing was a very long learning curve. By the
time we got to [1978's] "All Mod Cons," I
think we'd got it together about the way
that we did things. Each album was a turning
point for us, a musical idea or just in the
way we worked. The whole thing of, "This
isn't a hobby anymore chaps; you really have
to get this together," dawned on us quite
early in '77, because we did two albums in
'77, you see.
There is that Beatle-y evolution with The
Jam, "We're gonna outdo what we did on the
last record." That's the mark of an
ambitious band, trying to one up yourself.
It was always a bit strange for us; we never
really felt like we had a groove like some
bands have. You see bands that, once they
find a particular thing that works, they
stick with it and ended up sounding samey.
We never saw ourselves in any particular
slot, we managed to stay out of the rut by
simply dodging it all the time. I think
that's what kept us alive musically: that we
could continually experiment. Maybe that's
why Paul, in the end, found that he had
nowhere else to go with it. I don't
necessarily agree with that view, but some
of the things he said near the end, he
wanted to move on. I thought The Jam was
very much moving on anyway.
It seems a bit odd, considering that
Weller played some Jam tunes the last time I
saw him in Chicago--in 2004 I think it
was--that getting back together wasn't a
possibility for him. Was there any
discussion?
He's pretty much drawn the line and said
he's not into any sort of band reunion and
made all sorts of comments about how
destitute he would have to be [laughing] and
all sorts of things. So there didn't seem to
be a lot of point, but, on the other hand,
we did make it known that, in the early
stages, that the door was open to him
anytime and still is, if he wanted to come
along and have a bit of fun. But we didn't
want to get tied up in the perception that
if Paul wasn't involved then it couldn't
happen. Because, as far as myself and Bruce
are concerned, that's not the way things
were. We were two-thirds of the band, and we
probably have every right to go out and play
these songs, as much as Paul has. Our only
concern was, how would the fans take to that
sort of scenario? And we've found that
they've been very happy with it. Most Jam
fans have been waiting for this for a very
long time. I think they are a little let
down that Paul won't get involved, but I
think that's Paul letting himself down. I
really don't know what Paul thinks about
this because he's very difficult to talk to
and we haven't--at least I haven't--spoken
to him in a long time. He has got his own
career and his own thing happening, and
maybe that's where he wants to focus
himself. And if he doesn't want to get
involved, fair enough. It should never
really stop me and Bruce from doing what we
want to do.
If you have a proper balance of doing it
for the love of the music and for the fans,
people seem accepting. I don't get the sense
that you are just doing it to make money.
In reality, we are obviously doing it to
earn some money. We couldn't do it if we
weren't earning money. But the only reason
we are able to earn money is that we have
people who want to come and see the show. It
all sort of follows, so I don't feel guilt
for being paid for the job I do. We are
having a great time doing it.